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	<title>Comments on: Optimism, Cynicism, and the Ovechkin Contract</title>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Thunderweenie</title>
		<link>http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2008/01/29/optimism-cynicism-and-the-ovechkin-contract/#comment-85668</link>
		<dc:creator>Thunderweenie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OC, that's a perfectly good reason to re-sign him. The question is: is it a good reason to re-sign him for thirteen years? 

No one questions that Ovechkin is by far and away the best player in the game right now (at least, I don't question it), but will he still be a decade from now? In other words, will Ovie still be that productive in 2018, when he's older and has been injured a few times? Generally speaking, a guy with lots of time and $$ left on his contract is very difficult to trade if the need should arise...

Don't get me wrong--the Caps would have been VERY stupid to let Ovechkin walk, and maybe this was indeed the price of keeping him. I just wonder about the contract length, dat's all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OC, that&#8217;s a perfectly good reason to re-sign him. The question is: is it a good reason to re-sign him for thirteen years? </p>
<p>No one questions that Ovechkin is by far and away the best player in the game right now (at least, I don&#8217;t question it), but will he still be a decade from now? In other words, will Ovie still be that productive in 2018, when he&#8217;s older and has been injured a few times? Generally speaking, a guy with lots of time and $$ left on his contract is very difficult to trade if the need should arise&#8230;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong&#8211;the Caps would have been VERY stupid to let Ovechkin walk, and maybe this was indeed the price of keeping him. I just wonder about the contract length, dat&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: OrderedChaos (Mike Rucki)</title>
		<link>http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2008/01/29/optimism-cynicism-and-the-ovechkin-contract/#comment-85562</link>
		<dc:creator>OrderedChaos (Mike Rucki)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Capitals head writer Mike Vogel put it after last night's game, "Letâ€™s hear again from the chorus of folks who claim that the 13-year contract extension signed by Ovechkin earlier in the month is out of line for whatever lame reason. He has eight goals and 14 points in six home games and has 11 goals and 18 points in nine games overall since putting pen to paper. He has 19 goals and 30 points in his last 17 games."

http://capitals.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&#038;page=NewsPage&#038;articleid=351906</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Capitals head writer Mike Vogel put it after last night&#8217;s game, &#8220;Letâ€™s hear again from the chorus of folks who claim that the 13-year contract extension signed by Ovechkin earlier in the month is out of line for whatever lame reason. He has eight goals and 14 points in six home games and has 11 goals and 18 points in nine games overall since putting pen to paper. He has 19 goals and 30 points in his last 17 games.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://capitals.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&#038;page=NewsPage&#038;articleid=351906" rel="nofollow">http://capitals.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&#038;page=NewsPage&#038;articleid=351906</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thunderweenie</title>
		<link>http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2008/01/29/optimism-cynicism-and-the-ovechkin-contract/#comment-84853</link>
		<dc:creator>Thunderweenie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OC, you damn well beat me to it.

(But please, no one stick a donut in your mouth and claim to be a zit. That would just be too much.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OC, you damn well beat me to it.</p>
<p>(But please, no one stick a donut in your mouth and claim to be a zit. That would just be too much.)</p>
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		<title>By: Thunderweenie</title>
		<link>http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2008/01/29/optimism-cynicism-and-the-ovechkin-contract/#comment-84852</link>
		<dc:creator>Thunderweenie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, just as long as no one yells FOOD FIGHT. :-)

Gretz, in terms of this being bad for the NHL, I think its important to put  the Ovechkin deal in its proper league-wide context. The Caps may be perpetuating an unhealthy trend (I think they must might be), but they are by no means the only ones. There is a trend toward multi-year mega-deals --DiPietro is the most extreme example, but you can also count Briere, Gomez, Heatley...all with contracts or extensions of over five years. And don't forget Yashin, before he had the last four years (!!!!) of his contract bought out. 

The Yashin experience, I think, instructive, may provide some clues as to where this may lead. At least a few of these teams will end up eating the last few years of these deals when the players run into injury trouble of just aren't performing or some other reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, just as long as no one yells FOOD FIGHT. <img src='http://www.onfrozenblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Gretz, in terms of this being bad for the NHL, I think its important to put  the Ovechkin deal in its proper league-wide context. The Caps may be perpetuating an unhealthy trend (I think they must might be), but they are by no means the only ones. There is a trend toward multi-year mega-deals &#8211;DiPietro is the most extreme example, but you can also count Briere, Gomez, Heatley&#8230;all with contracts or extensions of over five years. And don&#8217;t forget Yashin, before he had the last four years (!!!!) of his contract bought out. </p>
<p>The Yashin experience, I think, instructive, may provide some clues as to where this may lead. At least a few of these teams will end up eating the last few years of these deals when the players run into injury trouble of just aren&#8217;t performing or some other reason.</p>
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		<title>By: OrderedChaos (Mike Rucki)</title>
		<link>http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2008/01/29/optimism-cynicism-and-the-ovechkin-contract/#comment-84845</link>
		<dc:creator>OrderedChaos (Mike Rucki)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FOOOOD FIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOOOOD FIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: MulletMan</title>
		<link>http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2008/01/29/optimism-cynicism-and-the-ovechkin-contract/#comment-84795</link>
		<dc:creator>MulletMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Grooven
Nevermind, he's on a roll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Grooven<br />
Nevermind, he&#8217;s on a roll</p>
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		<title>By: Grooven</title>
		<link>http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2008/01/29/optimism-cynicism-and-the-ovechkin-contract/#comment-84759</link>
		<dc:creator>Grooven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gretz98,
I thought the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gretz98,<br />
I thought the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.   <img src='http://www.onfrozenblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Gretz98</title>
		<link>http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2008/01/29/optimism-cynicism-and-the-ovechkin-contract/#comment-84726</link>
		<dc:creator>Gretz98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awww...nuts I hate momentary lapses in brain activity. I meant Germany invading Russia in the comment above, sorry for any confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awww&#8230;nuts I hate momentary lapses in brain activity. I meant Germany invading Russia in the comment above, sorry for any confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Gretz98</title>
		<link>http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2008/01/29/optimism-cynicism-and-the-ovechkin-contract/#comment-84724</link>
		<dc:creator>Gretz98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to say this considering how much I admire Ovechkin as a player, but doesn't this deal have an air of Germany invading France in WWII. Germany didn't learn from history and the mistakes of past nations: you don't invade Russia during the winter. Ted Leonsis is doing the same thing (minus all the evil and prejudice) by signing Ovechkin to this deal. If anyone could lead a team to the Cup before his thirties, it's Ovechkin, but why sign the extra six or seven years to the contract when there's so much risk? The reward may be great (having a possibly healthy Ovechkin at a steal of a price, considering inflation in seven years), but the risk is even greater (Ovechkin's style will likely end his career similarly to Cam Neely). Who knows, overall the entire contract may be bad for the entire NHL (http://hockeyspot-gretz98.blogspot.com/2008/01/ovechkins-contract-bad-for-nhl-but-not.html).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to say this considering how much I admire Ovechkin as a player, but doesn&#8217;t this deal have an air of Germany invading France in WWII. Germany didn&#8217;t learn from history and the mistakes of past nations: you don&#8217;t invade Russia during the winter. Ted Leonsis is doing the same thing (minus all the evil and prejudice) by signing Ovechkin to this deal. If anyone could lead a team to the Cup before his thirties, it&#8217;s Ovechkin, but why sign the extra six or seven years to the contract when there&#8217;s so much risk? The reward may be great (having a possibly healthy Ovechkin at a steal of a price, considering inflation in seven years), but the risk is even greater (Ovechkin&#8217;s style will likely end his career similarly to Cam Neely). Who knows, overall the entire contract may be bad for the entire NHL (http://hockeyspot-gretz98.blogspot.com/2008/01/ovechkins-contract-bad-for-nhl-but-not.html).</p>
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		<title>By: Mellyville9</title>
		<link>http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2008/01/29/optimism-cynicism-and-the-ovechkin-contract/#comment-84478</link>
		<dc:creator>Mellyville9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just read Caps are on NHL Network 3 times in Feb!!!!! Great to see. Promoting Ovy alot I see. But does this mean you cant watch in on Comcast????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read Caps are on NHL Network 3 times in Feb!!!!! Great to see. Promoting Ovy alot I see. But does this mean you cant watch in on Comcast????</p>
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		<title>By: DC Sports Chick</title>
		<link>http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2008/01/29/optimism-cynicism-and-the-ovechkin-contract/#comment-84282</link>
		<dc:creator>DC Sports Chick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LMAO Thunderweenie!

I like that million-dollar bill- very nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LMAO Thunderweenie!</p>
<p>I like that million-dollar bill- very nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Thunderweenie</title>
		<link>http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2008/01/29/optimism-cynicism-and-the-ovechkin-contract/#comment-84190</link>
		<dc:creator>Thunderweenie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, no, he doesn't have an attitude. Not at all. Just doesn't know how to use an alarm clock. Or how to drive on a freeway. Or how to find his way to the arena. Or how to not fight with his teammates. All the qualities you want in a guy to whom you're paying $9.5 million.

So...whaddya say? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, no, he doesn&#8217;t have an attitude. Not at all. Just doesn&#8217;t know how to use an alarm clock. Or how to drive on a freeway. Or how to find his way to the arena. Or how to not fight with his teammates. All the qualities you want in a guy to whom you&#8217;re paying $9.5 million.</p>
<p>So&#8230;whaddya say? <img src='http://www.onfrozenblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: MulletMan</title>
		<link>http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2008/01/29/optimism-cynicism-and-the-ovechkin-contract/#comment-84187</link>
		<dc:creator>MulletMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like your trying to push Ray "I have an attitude" Emery. Asking price would be too high I'm guessing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like your trying to push Ray &#8220;I have an attitude&#8221; Emery. Asking price would be too high I&#8217;m guessing.</p>
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		<title>By: Thunderweenie</title>
		<link>http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2008/01/29/optimism-cynicism-and-the-ovechkin-contract/#comment-84171</link>
		<dc:creator>Thunderweenie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey OC,

Long-term deals make a little more sense for younger players like Ovechkin than they do even for slightly older players like Rick DiPetro, who will be 40 when he finishes his 15-year contract. Ovechkin will be 36 when his contract expires, and while its possible that he could be at the end of his career by then, its less likely. (BIG difference between 36 and 40 when it comes to most pro athletes.)

All the same, I can't say I'm a big fan of these long-term contracts. They expose a club to an awful lot of risk over an awfully long time (and can also tie up an awful lot of cap room for an awfully long time), and if things don't work out, the player is pretty much untradeable.

On balance, though, Ovechkin is probably worth the gamble more than other players are.

Say, you guys in Washington need a goalie? We've got one in Ottawa who seems to want to be anywhere but Ottawa...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey OC,</p>
<p>Long-term deals make a little more sense for younger players like Ovechkin than they do even for slightly older players like Rick DiPetro, who will be 40 when he finishes his 15-year contract. Ovechkin will be 36 when his contract expires, and while its possible that he could be at the end of his career by then, its less likely. (BIG difference between 36 and 40 when it comes to most pro athletes.)</p>
<p>All the same, I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m a big fan of these long-term contracts. They expose a club to an awful lot of risk over an awfully long time (and can also tie up an awful lot of cap room for an awfully long time), and if things don&#8217;t work out, the player is pretty much untradeable.</p>
<p>On balance, though, Ovechkin is probably worth the gamble more than other players are.</p>
<p>Say, you guys in Washington need a goalie? We&#8217;ve got one in Ottawa who seems to want to be anywhere but Ottawa&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: OrderedChaos (Mike Rucki)</title>
		<link>http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2008/01/29/optimism-cynicism-and-the-ovechkin-contract/#comment-84154</link>
		<dc:creator>OrderedChaos (Mike Rucki)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Bob. And great post last week... OFBers, for more Caps optimism, check this out: 
http://dcoptimist.blogspot.com/2008/01/one-1.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Bob. And great post last week&#8230; OFBers, for more Caps optimism, check this out:<br />
<a href="http://dcoptimist.blogspot.com/2008/01/one-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://dcoptimist.blogspot.com/2008/01/one-1.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bobtimist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobtimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a feeling that this contract will result in 13 Stanley Cups.

BTW: This reminds me of our blog (except no dastardly "C")</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a feeling that this contract will result in 13 Stanley Cups.</p>
<p>BTW: This reminds me of our blog (except no dastardly &#8220;C&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: OrderedChaos (Mike Rucki)</title>
		<link>http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2008/01/29/optimism-cynicism-and-the-ovechkin-contract/#comment-84140</link>
		<dc:creator>OrderedChaos (Mike Rucki)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Thunderweeinie! 

TG, here's the thing: Would you rather see him wearing another team's sweater and scoring goals against the Caps? In other words, let some other take on the risk? 

I share your nervousness about injury potential, though your expectation of it seems much greater than mine. But getting hurt is a risk for every player on the ice, and I don't see fear of injury -- note, not a history of being injury-prone, just the fear of it -- being a reason to avoid a long-term deal with Ovehckin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Thunderweeinie! </p>
<p>TG, here&#8217;s the thing: Would you rather see him wearing another team&#8217;s sweater and scoring goals against the Caps? In other words, let some other take on the risk? </p>
<p>I share your nervousness about injury potential, though your expectation of it seems much greater than mine. But getting hurt is a risk for every player on the ice, and I don&#8217;t see fear of injury &#8212; note, not a history of being injury-prone, just the fear of it &#8212; being a reason to avoid a long-term deal with Ovehckin.</p>
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		<title>By: TG</title>
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		<dc:creator>TG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fully agree with the last point.  The way he plays, I have visions of Cam Neeley running through my head.</description>
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		<title>By: Thunderweenie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thunderweenie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the article, OC.

Me, too.</description>
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<p>Me, too.</p>
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