Comments on: An Offer They Can’t Refuse? http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2007/05/29/an-offer-they-cant-refuse/ A Haven for the Hockey Malnourished Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:15:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: CurlyBill http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2007/05/29/an-offer-they-cant-refuse/#comment-19286 CurlyBill Wed, 30 May 2007 02:57:10 +0000 http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2007/05/29/an-offer-they-cant-refuse/#comment-19286 The Caps offered RFA Dave Manson from Edmonton years ago. Glen Sather matched the offer, but he was furious. He never made a trade with the Caps after that. This isn't a big loss if it's a team or two... but you certainly don't want something like this to come back and haunt you. The Caps offered RFA Dave Manson from Edmonton years ago. Glen Sather matched the offer, but he was furious. He never made a trade with the Caps after that. This isn’t a big loss if it’s a team or two… but you certainly don’t want something like this to come back and haunt you.

]]> By: Michael McDonald http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2007/05/29/an-offer-they-cant-refuse/#comment-19284 Michael McDonald Wed, 30 May 2007 01:44:54 +0000 http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2007/05/29/an-offer-they-cant-refuse/#comment-19284 I don't see Vanek getting an offer from the Flyers - it is amazing how these things get started. If you knew how the Joni Pitkanen rumors started last year with the Oilers you'd 'pee'... Kimmo is tops on the list, then watch for TWO big name centers...and maybe a trade at the draft?? Macnow has 5 plus hours to fill...theres only so much Eagles mini camp to talk about:) I don’t see Vanek getting an offer from the Flyers - it is amazing how these things get started. If you knew how the Joni Pitkanen rumors started last year with the Oilers you’d ‘pee’… Kimmo is tops on the list, then watch for TWO big name centers…and maybe a trade at the draft?? Macnow has 5 plus hours to fill…theres only so much Eagles mini camp to talk about:)

]]> By: maruk http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2007/05/29/an-offer-they-cant-refuse/#comment-19235 maruk Tue, 29 May 2007 17:53:14 +0000 http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2007/05/29/an-offer-they-cant-refuse/#comment-19235 So let me get this straight, loyalty to fellow GM's trumps doing your own job well? It's one thing to give, as a silly example, A-Yash an A-Rod contract. But it's quite another to make a shrewd judgment to give the right RFA the right offer. GMs who exploit inefficiencies in the new marketplace will be the ones who succeed. So let me get this straight, loyalty to fellow GM’s trumps doing your own job well? It’s one thing to give, as a silly example, A-Yash an A-Rod contract. But it’s quite another to make a shrewd judgment to give the right RFA the right offer. GMs who exploit inefficiencies in the new marketplace will be the ones who succeed.

]]> By: Mark Tucker http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2007/05/29/an-offer-they-cant-refuse/#comment-19234 Mark Tucker Tue, 29 May 2007 17:29:50 +0000 http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2007/05/29/an-offer-they-cant-refuse/#comment-19234 A very interesting thought. I do wonder about being blacklisted, though. Bobby Clarke did it last year for Ryan Kesler (Hardly a Svatos or better), and you would have thought he committed an unforgivable act. Maybe Bobby was just one step ahead of everyone else. :-) A very interesting thought.
I do wonder about being blacklisted, though. Bobby Clarke did it last year for Ryan Kesler (Hardly a Svatos or better), and you would have thought he committed an unforgivable act. Maybe Bobby was just one step ahead of everyone else. :-)

]]> By: chanuck http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2007/05/29/an-offer-they-cant-refuse/#comment-19233 chanuck Tue, 29 May 2007 17:22:39 +0000 http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2007/05/29/an-offer-they-cant-refuse/#comment-19233 Personally thought it a D@#k move by Bobby Clark. Could have one reason he had to quit. Maybe other GMs started to freeze him out. The other reason being that the Flyers sucked. Personally thought it a D@#k move by Bobby Clark. Could have one reason he had to quit. Maybe other GMs started to freeze him out. The other reason being that the Flyers sucked.

]]> By: Caps Nut http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2007/05/29/an-offer-they-cant-refuse/#comment-19232 Caps Nut Tue, 29 May 2007 17:03:44 +0000 http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2007/05/29/an-offer-they-cant-refuse/#comment-19232 David "Bud" Poile had the right idea when it came to RFA offer sheets "I'm not going to do their job for them." The other issue with the offer sheets is that is can skew your own salary structure both directly and indirectly as much as it throws the other team out of whack. Your structure is directly effected if the team does NOT match your offer sheet and you get that player. By definition FA's are overpaid whether or not they change teams restricted or unrestricted. Overpaying one player on your roster leads you to overpay another player on your roster and the whole thing begins to spin out of control. You are affected indirectly should the team match because your own and other players point to the contract that was matched and they use it against you in contract negotiations especially if you're stupid enough to throw a big offer sheet around before arbitration. Personally I think this fad of rejecting draft picks over FA's will fall out of favor rather quickly. As the Blues signing Shanahan away from New Jersey as an RFA showed us, just because you don't have the picks doesn't mean that the NHL cannot come up with compensation. David “Bud” Poile had the right idea when it came to RFA offer sheets “I’m not going to do their job for them.”

The other issue with the offer sheets is that is can skew your own salary structure both directly and indirectly as much as it throws the other team out of whack.

Your structure is directly effected if the team does NOT match your offer sheet and you get that player. By definition FA’s are overpaid whether or not they change teams restricted or unrestricted. Overpaying one player on your roster leads you to overpay another player on your roster and the whole thing begins to spin out of control.

You are affected indirectly should the team match because your own and other players point to the contract that was matched and they use it against you in contract negotiations especially if you’re stupid enough to throw a big offer sheet around before arbitration.

Personally I think this fad of rejecting draft picks over FA’s will fall out of favor rather quickly. As the Blues signing Shanahan away from New Jersey as an RFA showed us, just because you don’t have the picks doesn’t mean that the NHL cannot come up with compensation.

]]> By: usiel http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2007/05/29/an-offer-they-cant-refuse/#comment-19231 usiel Tue, 29 May 2007 16:11:38 +0000 http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2007/05/29/an-offer-they-cant-refuse/#comment-19231 Buffalo will match any offer sheet I would think. Most teams will match on their good young players. In the end I don't think we'll see much RFA action but I could be wrong, heh. Buffalo will match any offer sheet I would think. Most teams will match on their good young players. In the end I don’t think we’ll see much RFA action but I could be wrong, heh.

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